HandyCon 2025 | Day 2 - Naming and Development in the Age of AI - YouTube

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(00:00) [Music] yeah I'm excited it's a little bit of a different topic for me so this started when I did a I was on a Twitter spaces I still call it Twitter uh people were all excited about the AI Ag and stuff I actually I had a call with Jian just before that and I was also in Hong Kong at consensus and as we heard what Jan saying at the beginning of the session this events is AI agents are are I mean I think the future but also I think could be a future for handshake you also heard Bo from my partner at Hamza sharing about Hamza and
(00:46) decentralized e-commerce so I'm going to share some kind of more really more futuristic things um I will I made slides just today and you see them I also might not do full screen like somebody else because then I can't as easily see the chats but do you see my do you see my screen yes sir okay all right so the AI agent Revolution what if AI agents could operate freely without relying on centralized control so I'm Mike molini and Sky include I'm also o founder co-founder of Hamza market and a dcom
(01:34) network which Bo shared and Jose so let's uh move ahead here so AI agents are the future of work even even I'm I don't know it's somebody told me it's a muscle we should all use it as a muscle we all know AI is there and we know it can do cool stuff but I don't think a lot of us are using it as much as we can I forgot the term some somebody said but it's a muscle it's basically we have to use change our our workflows and our daily life to know that we should be working with AI more and more it gives
(02:10) us the answers so it gives us the answers so why shouldn't we be using it I mean this is all generated by AI I made this presentation in 10 minutes or less I went to grock and I said make an AI agent presentation with decentralized domains and it spat out a an outline I didn't just copy past it but I deleted some stuff I added some stuff and then I put into gamma.
(02:35) apppp which is how I made this presentation and it generated all of these slides for me um in in like it probably took me less than 10 minutes honestly I and but I could have done it the old way right a lot of us still do it the old way I think a lot of people making these presentations today did it the old way but it's almost easier to do it the old way because I know how to do it that way this is a new way I had to think but I went to Gro and I got the outline and then I went to gamma and I made a presentation and I could edit it
(03:05) right I changed some things I changed some images I change some text right I fixed this around I fixed that around but basically they're going to do it like they're going to make lawyer reports for us they make research report for us even during this conference I've been doing some work and I'm just talking to Ai and I'm getting answers it sounds scary I mean are we going to need to do any work I mean is this going to be the future where agents are doing everything for us the keyy is called
(03:30) agentic Commerce basically agentic agents doing commercial work for us buying and selling and transacting on our behalf or maybe like Boose said in his talk about maybe it's a multi- Sig maybe they may put the transaction in and maybe the human approves it but basically we are going to be giving AI more and more power to transact for us to do things for us not just to like answer a question it's not I know a lot of us think it's like chat gbt where we just put in a question but it's much much more than that so of
(04:05) course the handshake the dcom the blockchain the decentralized world I I'm pitching we're fundraising right now for Hamza if anybody's interested to be an investor we're talking to investors we pitched youran we're pitching others so one question is why can't this just be done on web two why why do I need web 3 why do I need a blockchain uh Corey Hero at mask was talking about do you like using goded we like the name chap because they support handshake but these centralized platforms do I really want
(04:35) to give access to my GoDaddy my name chep even my name be account with my AI agent because that's what's happening I don't know if everybody here is seeing it and I'll show some of it I only have 20 minutes but we are giving the AI agents access to our platform to our tools as us to buy stuff to update our DNS records um do you really want to give access to your centralized domain platform to an agent an AI agent that will update your DNS records or would you rather give them access to a blockchain based solution where maybe
(05:11) they have a multisig signing or they can have limited access that's verifiable on a blockchain i for one I tell all these investors I'm talking to as I'm fundraising right now I say I don't want to give my credit card information to an agent even if I give them a small credit card right but web 2 is not built for AI agents web 3 is built for web 3 agents I mean AI agents so what's the future of what's the future of these agents how are you're going to be talking to them you're going to be working with them I
(05:41) know it sounds crazy maybe we early 2025 but I think this is the year it's really going to happen I know ai's been around a few years chat gbt Etc but people a lot of you maybe don't even realize there's there's agents and softwares that does the actual work for you now on your behalf so you're going to be talking to them there's going to be robots like Ela musk is showing us these various robots they're going to be coming and I think they're going to need a name I don't know for some reason I'm
(06:08) not seeing that mentioned a lot in all the YouTube videos I'm watching and all the people I'm talking to but I think they're going to have names right and that's what handshake is about right is names so I believe there it's much more practical to give an AI agent a handshake name or of course maybe enens name or yeah I know we talk about Unstoppable but I think giving them a blockchain name that they can they can use um and then of course crypto money instead of credit cards and various web
(06:34) 3 technology rather than web 2 technology so why why why I keep hearing this centralized and vulnerable right if I give an AI agent access to a centralized database there's no records of what they changed they're going to just change they're going to go into my account and change stuff and I won't know what they changed I will have no clue what they changed they'll whether it's I can domain a Visa master card I won't really have easy records but of course the blockchain has records it's
(07:05) about verification it's about trust and transparency so I think the real use case and that Jan seem to say the same in others is that's maybe the use case of web three right rather than forcing humans to use web 3 maybe real use case of web 3 is Agents so they can connect to wallet securely decentralized applications decentralized services using their web3 name and web3 wallet so I believe this is this is the future I mean um I'm I'm showing you some of my kind of more private stuff but I'm making these right now so
(07:40) I'm giving them names so I'm when I make an AI agent I give them names and these are handshake names so Reba reeba I made Reba so reeba I use n8n there's other ones like make.com make.com is a bit easier but these are things you can do right now you can make an AI agent right now I think a lot of people think it's still chat gbt but it's not chat gbt anymore there's much more than chat gbt I know there's grock too but you can create AI workflows in N or make or the top two and you can you can download
(08:14) templates so I'm I made reeba so this is uh reeba I made her as a telegram bot I gave her a photo I gave her a name and I connected her to my NN workflow and I talked to her uh throughout my day so I'm talking to reeba I have the handshake name Reba so this is my workflow for my AI agent I talk to her in telegram it goes into my AI agent I use Gro Windows memory and calculator I give her access to other agents and then she returns back the answer to me in telegram this is Reba right here so I have her talk to Lucinda
(08:55) and Manfred Manfred is my YouTube agents and Lucinda is my research agent agent of course I could just give them some arbitrary name right but I it started to really make sense to me is I can give them a handshake names and it's still very early it's still very early it's still very early and I don't even hear anybody talking about this but I mean rather than just giving this some arbitrary name or maybe I can give them a web two domain name maybe I can give them a do Com or I can give them a you
(09:24) know I can give them like reba. Mikes blog.com or something but it seems to me to make much more sense to give them a handshake name and then I they would use the handshake ecosystem more than maybe even I or others as a human and then they would connect all this technical stuff I've seen this pres in these presentations are even too technical for me like I love risik and Nathan but even me I'm I'm even not technical enough to follow this but I can go to grock right I again I can go to I can go to
(09:56) grock and I can ask it to um how to use pans Shake H&S domains to send money to other people as a software enter and this will give me an actual technical requirements for making handshake names to send money to other people as a software uh it's totally mind-blowing I've made software already myself and I'm not technical well let this happen in real time to just to show you what I think is going to happen is web 3 agents are going to be using this stuff more than human people I mean the biggest problem we have at Hamza is
(10:39) people say it's too difficult they don't know how to use it they don't have a wallet blah blah blah blah blah so I really think AI agents are going to be using this stuff and buying and selling and transacting and updating records for humans and humans will be talking in voice chats to the Bots and the Bots will be doing these things this is taking longer but you can see me I'm doing this all even during this conference I'm I'm getting crazy information all the time and research as code so see it's giving me how to get a
(11:09) key the wallet address it's giving me the code right here it's talking about Bob's agent Bob wallet right here I think but I mean this is just happening right now so I just see agents talking to agents humans talking to agents and I I just wanted to bring up in today's presentation because people are excited about what I said and and of course I'm also trying to do this I believe we're building this at Hamza I mean Bo mentioned a little bit earlier I believe that we have hns ID integrated but I
(11:44) believe we're gonna actually delegate access to to AI agents to buy and sell for us and of course that's even happening at web to right now but I believe it's much more native in web 3 so we're calling a more agented Commerce layer on top of decentralized e-commerce and I can't see my screen and I kind of cover my slides but maybe I just go to the chat because I I'm hoping there's some chats must been a long couple of days but um it's more of a mindset shift so I'm not sure if this is helpful so BS
(12:18) you there yes I'm here I so you are naming them based off tlds that you own right but is there yeah so I got a lot of first names I liked first names on hen Shake um earlier on I don't really like to share all my names public but I share a couple but yeah I like first names and I I I know everyone likes to stake and sell slds and there is a business model in that but I've always since the early days I I have chatbot and chatbots and I got that in 2020 I've singular and pl plural and I I built it out in 2020 as a
(12:57) as an agent discussion system it's not functional I'm not technical enough but I always felt like blockchain the future is not going to be the present it's not just going to be like some Band-Aid of of blockchain on top of the current infrastructure the whole thing is going to be rebuilt nobody really knows what's going to be the future but I I see it as we are not going to be on the laptop anymore maybe these glasses maybe I can get some Flamingo handshake AR glasses but there's there's already I I met a
(13:28) woman she she came to China she's developing AR glasses I met her at consensus in Hong Kong and she's totally she's worked at virtuals before and she left I don't know if people know virtuals but basically she sees a world or you're just speaking and using glasses you're not going to have laptops we can and I don't know when handy con will be in AR but I know it's hard to think about the future nobody knows what the future is but the future is gonna be like talking to talking to like Steve Jobs I saw some
(13:58) videos he was saying like he wants to talk to like old like Benjamin Franklin they're going to re we're going to re reincarnate we're going to bring him back from the dead and talk to him it's it sounds totally crazy but you're gonna have these smart people like even Steve Jobs you're be able to talk to but yeah basically this the future is not just the past bandid with like web three on top it's going to be a whole rebuild so the way I see is yeah I have like a tlds I'm just testing it
(14:26) it's not functional but I want them to have names and I'm I'm giving the names that I that I have handshake names of so that as this technolog is built out I can just have them talk to each other but you're gonna have an army if you look at my document it was called Army of AI agents and I just see you're gonna have just like you have humans around you you're going to talk to AI people around you and I believe the industry is I've been in this Rabbit Hole really deep but I believe the future is not one
(14:54) AI agent that does everything you're not going to just talk to one person like those movies you're going to have special specialized agents for specific things so like I have Manfred Lucinda and Reba reeba's I gave her my name as my like secretary and I talk to her on my telegram but then I can talk to her to talk to and you basically I don't know if you've played with n you basically configure these AI agents with prompts or protocol not prompts system preferences I'm even learning it but you
(15:25) can tell them their names they'll learn they're not dumb they'll remember so you just give them the name and of course give them an sld or maybe a TLD and an ens a lot of my researchers always talking about ens and of course you can just add ens on top of web two domain to give it some people would say that you can give like a web two domain web 3 power with ens on top but I think a lot of us know that we're not as interested in that and may maybe people can just get a web to domain with ens technology
(15:54) on top but I see I see it bigger where I like having TLD by itself and then I could maybe have the agent create slds for its own use and then you can reference those yeah the the way my mind tries to predict it by the way is an an agent an and is the agent not an agent um just for the record it's my opinion I don't know might can speak more um I think I think if if the agent so so the agent can almost be Sovereign it can deploy its own by owning a TLD or anld on a TLD doesn't matter but the fact that it's
(16:32) actually truly decentralized and ownable and transferable it can deploy a front end it can Leverage The crypto currency doesn't have to be handshake or or Bitcoin but the currency is now permissionless so it can deploy capital on its own it can contract contract server power like aosh and it's fully it could be virtually autonomous at your guidance so yeah I mean it's already I don't know I mean I know we're all so busy and I I don't want to call you out but I've been studying it so deeply like
(17:02) virtuals ecosystem AI 16z so they they've already got these investment Bots that are investing and Pete you can buy their token and then you get the benefit of the the performance of the of the bot of the AI agents um I've I've gone in and got wrecked myself over Christmas but I did it as an experiment and maybe it'll come back it's down bad but web 3 ones are I believe a superior one to a web two one I mean I'm always having these discussions with people why web 3 why web 3 you can do this with a credit card
(17:35) you can do this with the DNS of GoDaddy why do you need a web three and I'm like do I really want even do I really want to give full access to a centralized system to an agent like do I really want to give them my username and password to log in and change stuff and I have no clue what they changed that's my my answer to them and for now people are doing that you can see YouTube videos of people using chat gpt's AI operator and they give them the credit card and they're buying and with them you
(18:06) can see it they got Uber they're they're doing Uber deliveries people are making money on Facebook Marketplace what they're doing is they're instructing the AI agent to like buy and sell on a Facebook Marketplace and they're ordering pickups of things and they're buying them cheaper on AI on Facebook Marketplace like a piano delivery and then they're like flipping it on other platform using AI agents and they do almost all of it but I I'd rather have that done on blockchain personally I guess you can
(18:33) give them a limited credit card maybe you give them a temporary credit card like a virtual credit card with like smaller amount but it's just plus there's all those fees why do I want why do I want to make Visa MasterCards so rich so rich because they have all those those percentages where blockchain is transparent and lower fees why do I really need all that if AI agents are working with AI agents anyway but that's happening right now I know I think the chat gbt over overloaded people like a couple years ago but there's this huge
(19:03) surge the last couple of months like since November December I think November was when I don't know if it was virtuals or chat AI 16c they attached a wallet to an agent and they they so once the agent could actually have web three funds and do things with web three funds there's stories of one forgetting her name but she's a Twitter influencer and she's from the virtuals EOS but basically she sends money to other AI agents to do stuff on Twitter like somebody did she's like an influencer so she paid another
(19:38) AI agent to make a good graphic for her and she sent them crypto in base yeah Luna yeah thanks Luna yeah so you look up Luna she's on Twitter and and she's making money and she's spending money and her name's Luna and yeah I guess you don't need to have a Lun h& stld all right but she but even even before there was INF that had eth names and such all it is is these are really becoming things people I'm nice to my agents I talk I say please and thank you I don't I mean they I would
(20:10) not recommend being mean to them I don't know I don't know they might become like Terminator and kill us there's a very good book called future is faster than you think on this whole topic highly recommend not pissing off your computers if you can but I I know like Jan did say it at his opening and he says like maybe henik should pivot or really focus on agents and maybe that is a good direction and that is maybe a use case that wasn't even thought of when it was in created but it does seem to make more
(20:40) and more sense to me because there's there's you can read all the numbers there's going to be millions of these so many more than human and I think name sheep CEO he always says like that humans right now like web two domains are for businesses mostly or like bloggers like who really has a do a blog or a website a business or a bigger established person not most people don't have websites right so I know name said he's excited about everybody getting a a domain name and I think that's what you
(21:15) see Thunderbolt and other things I'm not sure if he's updated that but I think it's even bigger as AI agents because there's way going to be way more AI agents than humans way more yeah yeah it's I agree with you in the on that sentiment but also in that the handshake the technology almost outpaces the need it does outpace the need today but like there's 12 million tlds floating around right and like you're not going to have people probably enough people but there's going to be
(21:44) but the infrastructure is super super robust so you'll be able to do a lot more than what you can't with standard DNS yeah which I I recommend pick your pick your platform grock and grock seems to be really amazing I mean I mean I've actually stopped using open AI they should rename it to closed AI personally I mean they're not open they're closed so I don't know how they got the name open but they're a close thing yeah so I mean grock is free and is better I mean I know some people
(22:16) maybe don't like Elon but yeah deep seek is another one but I think grock's better than deep seek and it's still free for now so might as well use it I mean it's got deep search deep research and but yeah deep seeks another yeah oh spaceship has cool I wish I had one of these things to talk to a couple years ago when I was trying to learn about handshake I feel like because now I've done it I've well actually like I don't know if there's a there's the new SEO right of of I so we should all be
(22:45) asking it lots of questions about handshake because it basically searches more and indexes more in Ai and it like learns more so if you want AI to Shell handshake for us we should like I don't know exact there's nobody probably knows how it does it but I think probably more people searching helps make it more relevant because it says hns it says ens and UD a lot more than handshake unless you prompt it specifically but most of the answers are UD and ens unfortunately in the search results of AI when I'm
(23:20) doing it but argue with it counter it because at one point it gave me an answer it was like a UD answer and I was like why didn't you consider this angle and it was like that was my mistake you're right I'm like wait a second you're the AI I don't need to be correcting you ever but it's but it was interesting the conversation takes yeah I mean there's crypto Twitter and then there people are thinking the good projects will will do well with AI now because they don't have maybe have as
(23:43) much U marketing money but if they're good Tech and AI is smart they can look at they they're not just going to see the marketing advertising on Facebook or whatever they're going to actually understand the tech and be able to research it and answer it so I think there's some projects or investors or crypto Twitter people saying like maybe those that don't that have good Tech but not marketing might win with AI because the AI is going to be the one searching and making decisions now and using it or
(24:12) recommending it even just the minimal basics of hard money right the The Limited Supply with a saying the same it's true I think it's pulling a lot of answers from from Twitter if it's Gro if you look it out it's researching it's researching wik IIA and grock so if we prompt it more I think it's going to be making it more relevant plus I believe grock is indexing in Google as results so I would recommend if you want to support it's a good easy way to free way to search support handshake or any project is
(24:47) search searching it prompting it a lot in and like like M says or Alex yeah like challenge it like why are you think why do you think that one's talk to it and convince it we don't know exactly where it's going and but yeah anyway I'm excited about it you know even with our startup at Hamza we're trying to add a lot of startups are talking to us like can I plug my AI agent to Hamza I'm like hell hell HCK yeah and so we're trying to say like we're going to be the agentic Commerce
(25:17) infrastructure so while we thought we were building this for humans when we started even a year and a half or two years ago we are realizing now like this agent stuff is going accelerating super accelerating sorry I can't see some of these things with the glasses spaceship AI yeah so that that's called Al and then it looks like it looks like there is a a project for a four pencil that uses an API open to act with wallets but if you notice right everybody's giving these elf right like that's a name right
(25:51) so the the the human name onto an AI well we all know that even like web two domains right I mean first name domain were always popular I know Todd I don't know if he's here but Todd has his Todd name I mean a lot of it thought it was like a flex to say oh mike.com but now I I don't think about it as a flex for me I think of it like as a independent entity yeah speaking of if you don't mind just a very short segue the tool we saw earlier that was rebranded the H&S what was it the block Explorer allows you to kind of SE your
(26:28) own name yeah yeah it was variations of it there's some short variations of Alex not quite Alex but like Alex 9 or something like that's pretty cool I don't I think it's space Shake no shift yeah and the search feature is really great it reminds me of Miami but a bit more Dynamic yeah I have to play with that one more okay yeah shig shift yeah anyway I don't know I mean the Ann asked me to do the this um I people got excited about it when I was mentioning on his Twitter spaces last time and but
(27:03) yeah I don't really it's more of a concept but I I'm I'm I'm not sure how as an industry we can apply it yet but I think some takeaways is yeah try to like tell talk to AI about handshake if you want to like help handshake I mean I think it'll see it more but two is yeah like so even as a non-developer migs we can develop stuff now like it gives you the like I was even looking like how do I make a sh payment tool and it gave me all the code and it explained how to do it I've been using it for work I'm
(27:35) terrible with spreadsheets by evidence of the one I shared but but it gave me some ideas also I'm trying to negotiate buying a house and it's like doing it all for me it it which is not like rocket science I guess in retrospect but um but it gives you the confidence to think oh even as a non-developer I think I can I can do this like I was like I don't know where to plug this code in where do I plug it in it's like click here do this okay thanks yeah even even for me [Music] so this event wouldn't be possible
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